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here is what he says in the debate, which is the real romney? >> do you think moderators should play that role? i don't want to knock jim lehrer, he's a distinguished journalist, but i have seen people like the late tim russert and people like bob schieffer, whenever they hear a complete nonsense statement from a politician on the sunday shows, they tend to go, now, just a minute. are you saying -- you can't believe that. that sort of general, ron, skepticism. you first, michelle. isn't it in order to say -- when a guy is flipping for an hour and a half, to stop him and say that's not been your position, sir? >> i understand the argument that he wants to be a kind of neutral arbiter, but, yes, absolutely. when you say, you know, flat out there is no tax cut for the wealthy in my plan or he says that kind of higher income people aren't going to pay any smaller of a share of the tax burden, when he's been saying on camera for more than a year now that he intends to reduce their rates to 20%, that he intends to reduce the inheritance tax, reduce ca
here is what he says in the debate, which is the real romney? >> do you think moderators should play that role? i don't want to knock jim lehrer, he's a distinguished journalist, but i have seen people like the late tim russert and people like bob schieffer, whenever they hear a complete nonsense statement from a politician on the sunday shows, they tend to go, now, just a minute. are you saying -- you can't believe that. that sort of general, ron, skepticism. you first, michelle. isn't...
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since the presidential debate we have seen more of the "sesame street" gang crashing romney events. outside a rally today in iowa. and romney just snubbed nickelodeon, skipping the network's special event on the election, refusing to answer questions from kids across the country. president obama's already did the event, but romney's campaign says he couldn't fit it in his schedule. the real issue here is isn't nickelodeon or big bird but what the romney/ryan agenda would do to our children. the budget includes devastating cuts to program that help feed kids in america's poor and working-class families. it also slashes federal aid i've said before this election isn't about obama. it's about your mama and the real families and the real kids that live there. ♪ ♪ >>>> how do you make shoo ♪ ♪ or help doctors turn billions of bytes of shared information... ♪ ♪ into a fifth anniversary of remission? ♪ ♪ whatever your business challenge dell has the technology and services to help you solve it. . >>> we're back with the relentless right-wing push to suppress your vote. we t
since the presidential debate we have seen more of the "sesame street" gang crashing romney events. outside a rally today in iowa. and romney just snubbed nickelodeon, skipping the network's special event on the election, refusing to answer questions from kids across the country. president obama's already did the event, but romney's campaign says he couldn't fit it in his schedule. the real issue here is isn't nickelodeon or big bird but what the romney/ryan agenda would do to our...
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he's willing to say anything, romney, anything in a debate. how do you beat a guy who is willing to say anything, who knows it only matters when the camera is off. when he sends out a staffer to correct the record. nobody is watching. that's what he likes. >> i don't disagree with you about the auto industry as an issue. i don't disagree with you about women's rights as an issue and equal pay, about you you can't walk away from the medicare issue and you can't let romney say that he's the guy who is going to protect medicare when he's, in fact, going to turn it into voucher care. senior citizens, especially in states like florida, pennsylvania, you know this, ohio, are going to be a big part of this electorate. they want to understand what's happening there. because the president didn't respond on medicare in the debate with any force, his advantage -- >> but you can't -- >> his advantage among seniors on the issue of medicare has shrunk. he's got to get that back, argue the issues you're arguing, but it's all got to be in a big context which
he's willing to say anything, romney, anything in a debate. how do you beat a guy who is willing to say anything, who knows it only matters when the camera is off. when he sends out a staffer to correct the record. nobody is watching. that's what he likes. >> i don't disagree with you about the auto industry as an issue. i don't disagree with you about women's rights as an issue and equal pay, about you you can't walk away from the medicare issue and you can't let romney say that he's the...
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mitt romney continues to gain momentum in the wake of the debate. president obama was off to a strong start here in ohio. the unemployment rate lower than the national average. the folks here really like the auto bailout, one out of every eight ohioans has a connection to the auto industry. so a lot of ohioans were expressing support for him, but now obviously things are getting tighter, martin. >> nbc's kristin welker fighting will.i.am very valiantly. thank you very much, kristin. we'll be right back. ♪ this is love, this is love, this is love ♪ [ female announcer ] most whitening strips promise full whitening results in two weeks or more. rembrandt® deeply white™ 2 hour whitening kit is proven to quickly remove surface stains and deep stains in just two hours. [ female announcer ] rembrandt® deeply white™: whiten in just 2 hours. starts with arthritis pain and a choice. take tylenol or take aleve, the #1 recommended pain reliever by orthopedic doctors. just two aleve can keep pain away all day. back to the news. just two aleve can keep
mitt romney continues to gain momentum in the wake of the debate. president obama was off to a strong start here in ohio. the unemployment rate lower than the national average. the folks here really like the auto bailout, one out of every eight ohioans has a connection to the auto industry. so a lot of ohioans were expressing support for him, but now obviously things are getting tighter, martin. >> nbc's kristin welker fighting will.i.am very valiantly. thank you very much, kristin. we'll...
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nevertheless it's not just one debate. >> it's one debate that is very visible but a different mitt romney shows up. obama just let that happen. mitt romney showed up and he seemed like an energetic guy to fix things. obama showed up and looked tired and listless and he didn't challenge mitt romney on his extreme positions or on the extreme positions of the republican party including his running mate. >> i always lover yo your insig. we're past the debate but still at that same conversation even with democrats still talking about the debate mystery that happened. >> it was a vacuum. there's nothing else to talk about until the next debate. >> we can talk about the fact women have been deserting -- we have two polls shows women are deserting the president. he had an 18-point lead in the pugh poll. >> it's tied at 47%. i don't want to just isolate you because you're the woman here. >> happy it to talk about it. >> you guys know women, but nevertheless we'll single them out. which is where the debate comes in, and mitt romney being allowed to define himself as a moderate, obama didn't bring u
nevertheless it's not just one debate. >> it's one debate that is very visible but a different mitt romney shows up. obama just let that happen. mitt romney showed up and he seemed like an energetic guy to fix things. obama showed up and looked tired and listless and he didn't challenge mitt romney on his extreme positions or on the extreme positions of the republican party including his running mate. >> i always lover yo your insig. we're past the debate but still at that same...
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coming off the debate and the pew poll you now can make the case that mitt romney is the guy who is kind of the energy and enthusiasm candidate. i think some polls will come out in places like ohio, virginia, north carolina, florida, hopefully some independent polls in the next few days that i think will get the measure of how much bounce mitt romney got. if those polls suggest him really closing the margin in those states then i think the romney campaign is really on to something. national polling is great and they're happy to have it, but really the problem they have had in the last six weeks, two months, is electoral vote in the swing states. they need those numbers to move. >> and we are going to have our nbc news/"wall street journal"/marist polls in florida, ohio, and virginia coming out first thing thursday morning. mark you're in chicago, which tells me you've probably been doing a lot of reporting. what are they saying at the obama headquarters? >> well, andrea, i came straight here from the headquarters where i sat down with some of the top officials on the campaign and talked
coming off the debate and the pew poll you now can make the case that mitt romney is the guy who is kind of the energy and enthusiasm candidate. i think some polls will come out in places like ohio, virginia, north carolina, florida, hopefully some independent polls in the next few days that i think will get the measure of how much bounce mitt romney got. if those polls suggest him really closing the margin in those states then i think the romney campaign is really on to something. national...
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romney had one good day. he had one good debate and obama had one debate. we know obama can do better. and romney is going to -- that -- romney this is a pretend romney we're looking at now. >> let me ask you from the sort of dichotomy, the two options voters are being presented with, mitt romney has these draconian policies and the other is he's a flip flopper, which do you think is a better one to run on this point, the obama campaign? >> the obama campaign is th? i think the draconian policies -- i think you can do both. i think romney is doing both and romney -- watching him right now is watching him go through the different phases of romney, 509s shades of romney shall we say. >> that's exactly what they have thought. so people have talked about this a lot. the notion of they were kind of a fork in the road in the spring. do we want to run against him as a flip flopping phony or run against -- coreless, their pitch before, or do we want to cast him as a right wing radical. they seemed to and did make a decision to do right wing radical and one on throu
romney had one good day. he had one good debate and obama had one debate. we know obama can do better. and romney is going to -- that -- romney this is a pretend romney we're looking at now. >> let me ask you from the sort of dichotomy, the two options voters are being presented with, mitt romney has these draconian policies and the other is he's a flip flopper, which do you think is a better one to run on this point, the obama campaign? >> the obama campaign is th? i think the...
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they certainly suggest that romney, as we all said, had a great debate performance. people took a second look and said, all right, let me pay attention, let me see what i think about this guy. the question is, now that they're taking that second look, when they go to his website and say, wait a second, what he said on the stage about people with pre-existing conditions isn't true based on what it says on his campaign website, what are they going to really think and believe and what will the next debate performance bring? >> all right, that's for people who are really going to investigate and do the time and research that you suggest, which a lot of people may not do. but john, you heard chuck todd saying this bounce is real, but what matters when we look at this truly is the battleground states. the same pew poll shows a dramatic midwest shift coupled with a michigan poll that shows the president's lead shrinking from ten to three points. and we look at this, a new pennsylvania poll from siena showing the president's lead thinking from 14 to 3 points. if this is happ
they certainly suggest that romney, as we all said, had a great debate performance. people took a second look and said, all right, let me pay attention, let me see what i think about this guy. the question is, now that they're taking that second look, when they go to his website and say, wait a second, what he said on the stage about people with pre-existing conditions isn't true based on what it says on his campaign website, what are they going to really think and believe and what will the...
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how does mitt romney's jump, as you've seen it so far, stack up with prior presidential debates? >> well, certainly, his debate performance itself is historic! you know, we've said to americans, who did better? it was a 52-point margin. and this is thursday and friday, and by then, i think people who have been watching your station and others have kind of learned that romney did better, but nevertheless, that's a huge gap, as you see. clinton also did well in '92 against bush the elder, but not as well. and barack obama himself did good back in '08, but again, not as well. but as we've been talking about, the real impact of the debates that people are interested in is, does it change the probability that one candidate will win or not? and romney picked up short term, but long term doesn't look as much, but we'll continue to monitor it. >> there is also the question of the vice presidential debate. have vice presidential debates ever moved the numbers in any significant way, frank? >> interesting question. can't go back to the 1800s. we don't see it. you know, we don't poll as muc
how does mitt romney's jump, as you've seen it so far, stack up with prior presidential debates? >> well, certainly, his debate performance itself is historic! you know, we've said to americans, who did better? it was a 52-point margin. and this is thursday and friday, and by then, i think people who have been watching your station and others have kind of learned that romney did better, but nevertheless, that's a huge gap, as you see. clinton also did well in '92 against bush the elder,...
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paul ryan does his debate prep today in florida. the vice president signalled a new urgency to voters saying, quote, i very much sbeintend ton this election, but we're only going to do it if everybody is obsessive between now and then. >> we cannot afford to be complacent and we can't afford to be cynical. we can't do it if you've got someone who writes off half the nation before the election, but it's not going to happen if half the nation writes off itself by not voting. >> i had a bunch of people say don't be so polite, don't be so nice. i want everybody to understand something. what what was being presented wasn't leadership, that's cease manship. . >> and then the president took the muppets attack on mitt romney. turning the says my street comments from romney about ending federal subsidies into pbs into what i think might have been an oj joke. >> for all you moms and kids out there, you could have confidence that finally somebody is cracking down on big bird. elmo has been seen in in a white suburban, he's driving for the bord
paul ryan does his debate prep today in florida. the vice president signalled a new urgency to voters saying, quote, i very much sbeintend ton this election, but we're only going to do it if everybody is obsessive between now and then. >> we cannot afford to be complacent and we can't afford to be cynical. we can't do it if you've got someone who writes off half the nation before the election, but it's not going to happen if half the nation writes off itself by not voting. >> i had...
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which mitt romney is the one that shows up to the next debate? which is the one that shows up the day after the election? and that's where the president has to take this conversation. is it the mitt romney on foreign policy who said when iran captured that drone it was a reason to go to war? or is it the much more moderated guy who said let's just carry on doing what we're doing. iran could hardly have any type of sanctions. the economy is in freefall right now. what can you get your arms around with this candidate? makes him a very difficult debate opponent. but in that moment, in that debate when he's pivoting and flip-flopping and all over the place, you've got to confront him, otherwise you are not stepping up -- >> the problem is, let's just say with barack obama isn't the problem he's not a great debater and he's not nimble on his feet. because you are a lot of other people could stand across the stage from mitt romney and say that. >> it's easy to do it from the sides. sidelines. >> the president is not a good debater. >> there was a momen
which mitt romney is the one that shows up to the next debate? which is the one that shows up the day after the election? and that's where the president has to take this conversation. is it the mitt romney on foreign policy who said when iran captured that drone it was a reason to go to war? or is it the much more moderated guy who said let's just carry on doing what we're doing. iran could hardly have any type of sanctions. the economy is in freefall right now. what can you get your arms...
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>> ever since mitt romney called out big bird by name at last week's presidential debate, president obama's campaign has been having a lot of fun with it. at a san francisco fund-raiser last night, president obama himself once again drew attention to mr. romney's plan to cut government funding for pbs. >> for all you moms and kids out there, you should have confidence that finally somebody is cracking down on big bird. elmo has been seen in a white suburban. he's driving for the border. oscar is hiding out in his trash can. we're cracking down on them. governor romney's plan is to let wall street run wild again but he's going to bring the hammer down on sesame street. >> the obama campaign now featuring big bird in a new tv ad out this morning. this is from the obama campaign. >> i'm barack obama, i approve this message. >> bernie madoff, ken lay, dennis kozlowski, criminals, gluttons of greed and the evil genius who towered over them? one man has guts to speak his name. >> big bird. >> big bird. >> it's me, big bird. >> big, yellow, a menace to our economy. mitt romney knows it's not wall
>> ever since mitt romney called out big bird by name at last week's presidential debate, president obama's campaign has been having a lot of fun with it. at a san francisco fund-raiser last night, president obama himself once again drew attention to mr. romney's plan to cut government funding for pbs. >> for all you moms and kids out there, you should have confidence that finally somebody is cracking down on big bird. elmo has been seen in a white suburban. he's driving for the...
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new polls show mitt romney clawing his way back into the race after that first debate. the question is, what will shift the trend lines over the next 28 days to decide this airtight election? >>> a congressional investigation now into what happened to the united states consulate in libya leading to the death of ambassador chris stevens and three other americans? the question is, why was a request from stevens for additional security declined? we'll look into that. >>> the jets hang tough with the very best team in the afc. mark sanchez getting one last drive to win it. the question is, could he turn the season around for new
new polls show mitt romney clawing his way back into the race after that first debate. the question is, what will shift the trend lines over the next 28 days to decide this airtight election? >>> a congressional investigation now into what happened to the united states consulate in libya leading to the death of ambassador chris stevens and three other americans? the question is, why was a request from stevens for additional security declined? we'll look into that. >>> the jets...
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there's problems with the way romney went through that debate. looked good but didn't exactly convey a lot of truth. your thoughts? >> that's exactly what democrats are saying. paul ryan was out today and says that he expects for the next month he's going to hear from the obama campaign that they are liars and you hear liberals picking up on that. again, to go to this point about "saturday night live," i think it underscores what people already saw from that debate, which is that president obama turned in a very poor performance. i thought that he would have been smart to go on to "saturday night live" and sort of lampoon himself. we saw him do that out west. i guess the "saturday night live" folks reached out to him and they both declined. i think it has been a right of passage in elections, going back to 2008 when mccain was on, obama was on, hillary clinton was on and sarah palin, too. it is part of our political discourse. it reinforces the narratives. i think "snl" has had problems portraying obama. they switched to a new guy. jay ferrel see
there's problems with the way romney went through that debate. looked good but didn't exactly convey a lot of truth. your thoughts? >> that's exactly what democrats are saying. paul ryan was out today and says that he expects for the next month he's going to hear from the obama campaign that they are liars and you hear liberals picking up on that. again, to go to this point about "saturday night live," i think it underscores what people already saw from that debate, which is...
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as he can away from mitt romney. >> mitt romney is trying to turn the momentum from his debate performance. >> polls show mitt romney got a bounce. >> new polls. >> into a political tidal wave on the campaign trail. >> mitt romney will say absolutely anything to get elected. >> at the debate he said he's not going to cut taxes for the wealthy. in the primary he said he's going to cut taxes for everyone. >> i'm going to lower rates across the board for all americans. isn't that a change? >> let me repeat what i said. >> lying, denying and alibiing. >> is that leadership? >> we can't debate the debate. >> the war continues. >> let's move on. >> we are awaiting a major foreign policy address. >> romney boiled down the president's foreign policy to one of hope. >> hope is not a strategy. >> but on actual foreign policy romney's specifics were rather thin. >> i'll support the libyan's people efforts to support a lasting government. >> how about iran? >> prevent them from acquiring nuclear weapons capability. >> that's the same. >> this is the same guy who couldn't even go to the olympics. >> he
as he can away from mitt romney. >> mitt romney is trying to turn the momentum from his debate performance. >> polls show mitt romney got a bounce. >> new polls. >> into a political tidal wave on the campaign trail. >> mitt romney will say absolutely anything to get elected. >> at the debate he said he's not going to cut taxes for the wealthy. in the primary he said he's going to cut taxes for everyone. >> i'm going to lower rates across the board for...
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mitt romney, well, he tried to get away with the actual debate. it wasn't too funny. and i said it would cause him problems. >> no doubt, maitt romney was a his best tonight but it's not good enough. when you take what he said tonight and compare it to his proposals, to what he has said, to what he's represented, to the ryan plan, it does not match what he said tonight. so how are we going to be impressed with someone that made a very passionate and a very articulate series of lies tonight? there's been so much focus on the president's debate performance but i continue to believe that governor romney did serious damage to his candidacy that night. he boxed himself in on tax cuts, on health care, on regulation. this was an "snl" worthy performance. if my friends upstairs are listening, they ought to let governor romney audition. look at that. he'd fit right in. i hear he really nails the impersonation of a moderate. "snl" made me laugh but the last laugh will be on governor romney because he will find out on election night that when it comes to medicare and medicaid an
mitt romney, well, he tried to get away with the actual debate. it wasn't too funny. and i said it would cause him problems. >> no doubt, maitt romney was a his best tonight but it's not good enough. when you take what he said tonight and compare it to his proposals, to what he has said, to what he's represented, to the ryan plan, it does not match what he said tonight. so how are we going to be impressed with someone that made a very passionate and a very articulate series of lies...
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gibbs tried to tackle romney's debate flip-flops. i think he did it here. let's watch. >> it's not rocket science to believe that the president was disappointed in the expectations that he has for himself. but, look, i think part of that was because, as i said earlier, we met a new mitt romney. we met a mitt romney that wanted to walk away from the central theory of his economic plan which is his tax cut. i don't have a tax cut that's $4.8 trillion or $5 trillion. i'm not going to cut taxes on the rich. i don't have a medicare voucher plan. i love teachers, i think we need more of them. i mean, look, don't believe me, speaker gingrich was pretty eloquent in running during the primaries in saying, look, mitt romney will say absolutely anything to get elected. >> well, one thing i have been saying about the campaign is the president needs surrogates out there, he needs confederates, people out there. i love charleston. a lot of people -- rather charlotte because in charlotte you heard an entire political party speaking led by people like deval patrick, the go
gibbs tried to tackle romney's debate flip-flops. i think he did it here. let's watch. >> it's not rocket science to believe that the president was disappointed in the expectations that he has for himself. but, look, i think part of that was because, as i said earlier, we met a new mitt romney. we met a mitt romney that wanted to walk away from the central theory of his economic plan which is his tax cut. i don't have a tax cut that's $4.8 trillion or $5 trillion. i'm not going to cut...
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romney at the first debate? >> well, this isn't the first time, if that's the case, and, indeed, shall we say he had kind of a loose relationship with the facts coloring them to favor his own side, and the question is does it matter at this point when we already know that about 95% of the voters have made up their minds and their feelings about the candidates are pretty well baked in. the people watching now are what we call the low information voters. they can't help it, they're busy with other things perhaps, but they're catching up to the campaign now, and they're going by first impressions, and they might not be that familiar with all the context of the figure that is romney is quoting, and this was where president obama could have done a better job of responding on the spot, but i guess he didn't want to appear rude. >> indeed. okay. i should point out that the gallup tracking poll today does have the president five points ahead, but the pew poll, as i said, has mitt romney ahead by four points. anna marie,
romney at the first debate? >> well, this isn't the first time, if that's the case, and, indeed, shall we say he had kind of a loose relationship with the facts coloring them to favor his own side, and the question is does it matter at this point when we already know that about 95% of the voters have made up their minds and their feelings about the candidates are pretty well baked in. the people watching now are what we call the low information voters. they can't help it, they're busy...
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among those who watched, a whooping 72% thought romney won that debate. compare that to 20% for president obama. 52 point margin is the largest in the poll's history. only bill clinton's 1992 town hall debate with george h.w. bush with ross perot came close. is romney's debate performance helping him win over voters on election day? in the three days before the debate, president obama led mitt romney by five points. in the three days after the debate, obama and romney were typed according to gallup. the seven-day tracking poll that includes three debate days and four post-debate days has the race at 50-45 obama. to help us sort it out let's welcome back nate. today he wrote about romney's bounce and how long it might last. nate, thank god we have you here. my head is spinning trying to sort through it. let me lay it out for everybody and you can interpret it. gat will you please released yesterday three days of polls after the debate and said we have a tied race. gallup has a seven-day average that shows bahaobama gaining a t and losing a point. we have t
among those who watched, a whooping 72% thought romney won that debate. compare that to 20% for president obama. 52 point margin is the largest in the poll's history. only bill clinton's 1992 town hall debate with george h.w. bush with ross perot came close. is romney's debate performance helping him win over voters on election day? in the three days before the debate, president obama led mitt romney by five points. in the three days after the debate, obama and romney were typed according to...
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psychologically the debate gave team romney aa big boost right before the debate. on october 2nd the day before everyone was writing do you write off ohio? do republicans start to move their money to senate and house contests? that very good debate performance by romney changed that conversation at the very least where we're not talking about this being a run-away race for obama, this being actually a very, very close race again. >> mark murray, thank you very much. greatly appreciate it. coming up, love, marriage and fists flying. we'll get the latest on this unbelievable wedding brawl that broke out in the city of brotherly love. one person even suffered aa heart attack and died. >>> plus, our "news nation" gut check, do you think mitt romney will see a bump in new battleground polls this week? first is-there's a lot going on today. pbs will air a two-hour documentary tomorrow night profiling president obama and governor romney titled "the choice 2012." it focuses on key turning points in both candidates' political careers such as mitt romney's disastrous perform
psychologically the debate gave team romney aa big boost right before the debate. on october 2nd the day before everyone was writing do you write off ohio? do republicans start to move their money to senate and house contests? that very good debate performance by romney changed that conversation at the very least where we're not talking about this being a run-away race for obama, this being actually a very, very close race again. >> mark murray, thank you very much. greatly appreciate it....
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romney was a great debater, but he's not running for president of the debate club. he's running for president of the united states, which means he has to be truthful. he has to say things based on facts. as you saw, yes, he speaks well, but what did he say? >> he abandoned his big, bold idea of a $5 trillion tax cut. he says that he's not going to raise taxes. he says he's not going to raise taxes on the middle class, and the tax policy center and i think you were in a commercial quoting the tax policy center have said that's just not true. so, yes, he speaks well. just because he says it doesn't mean it's so. >> as i said, i was very not joining that commercial. we protested the fact of that commercial, and that actually came from a report where we criticized both candidates. the president made comments about social security and simpson-boles and a number of other things that didn't add up either. both sides made misstatements in the debate. doesn't the president need a different game plan going into the next debate? >> i don't accept that the postulation that both
romney was a great debater, but he's not running for president of the debate club. he's running for president of the united states, which means he has to be truthful. he has to say things based on facts. as you saw, yes, he speaks well, but what did he say? >> he abandoned his big, bold idea of a $5 trillion tax cut. he says that he's not going to raise taxes. he says he's not going to raise taxes on the middle class, and the tax policy center and i think you were in a commercial quoting...
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this mitt romney needs to debate the old mitt romney as well. on each of these things he's taken the opposite position. there's an extended criticism of the president's take on syria, for instance. yet this is the same mitt romney who also said getting involved with libya would be mission creep. he opposed that in one country and now proposes it somewhere else. the point of consistent for him is israel. to pa are a phrase joe biden every foreign policy sentence has a noun, verb and the word israel in it. when it comes to the actual position saying a president needs to be involved in the middle east, it's drifted, that's true about the peace process. this is the same mitt romney, i believe, who was taped talking about the 47% and said, you know, when it comes to the middle east it's never going to happen. i will leave it to the next guy. >> we have that. let's listen to what mitt romney. almost literally said to kick the can down the road. this is part of the infamous 47% videotape taken surreptitiously in florida this year. let's listen to what
this mitt romney needs to debate the old mitt romney as well. on each of these things he's taken the opposite position. there's an extended criticism of the president's take on syria, for instance. yet this is the same mitt romney who also said getting involved with libya would be mission creep. he opposed that in one country and now proposes it somewhere else. the point of consistent for him is israel. to pa are a phrase joe biden every foreign policy sentence has a noun, verb and the word...
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he's had a great debate. the speech when the president, there's an opening to attack the president on foreign policy. he's still hurt on the benghazi issue. there's room for him to grow there so that's also very important. >> joel, let's get in to that as susan brings up about benghazi. a topic americans want the know more about and the language today on libya is strongest yet heard on that topic. the governor expected to say in the early excerpts as the administration has finally conceded the attacks with a deliberate work of terrorists to impose the dark ideology on others and women and girls fighting to control much of the at least today and who speak to wage war on the west. certainly a lot of new questions, joel, about the administration's response, the current investigation in to that attack in libya and ambassador stevens killed and three other americans and someone that worked in the state department and knew the ambassador, do you think that the administration dropped the ball? >> the speech today is
he's had a great debate. the speech when the president, there's an opening to attack the president on foreign policy. he's still hurt on the benghazi issue. there's room for him to grow there so that's also very important. >> joel, let's get in to that as susan brings up about benghazi. a topic americans want the know more about and the language today on libya is strongest yet heard on that topic. the governor expected to say in the early excerpts as the administration has finally...
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an a different mitt romney since that debate performance. showing the compassionate side and showing that touching video of him, at campaign stops and didn't air in prime time with the empty chair and telling more stories like this. >> there's billy holt. he came to my event. touched my heart to see him there. pushed the wheelchair forward and he came up and i put my arm on his shoulder and whispered in his ear. i said, billy, i love you and god bless you. i got a call that he died the next day. >> perry, this is something that the campaign always said that mitt romney was not comfortable talking about. these kinds of very personal things but is it effective? >> i thought in the debate it was very effective when he personalized things and talked about families he met and people he met an dong it on the road now, too. i think that's smart. voters throughout the campaign -- polls have shown voters find obama more likable person and in the next two debates romney's going to maintain that and increase the likability. they're voting for someone t
an a different mitt romney since that debate performance. showing the compassionate side and showing that touching video of him, at campaign stops and didn't air in prime time with the empty chair and telling more stories like this. >> there's billy holt. he came to my event. touched my heart to see him there. pushed the wheelchair forward and he came up and i put my arm on his shoulder and whispered in his ear. i said, billy, i love you and god bless you. i got a call that he died the...
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we're seeing a more confidence mitt romney on the trail. >> we had a little debate earlier this week and i enjoyed myself. you had the chance to hear his answers or non answers. now, of course, days later, we're hearing his excuses. >> but while the romney campaign body language has changed, both are anxiously awaiting the first good post debate polls. those will give us our first look at the race after the debate and the friday unemployment report. plus, where will romney be when the results of those polls begin to come in. will he be in coin flip races in places like ohio, iowa and wisconsin? where will the president's number be? still sitting at 49 or 50 or have fallen down to 47, 48? national tracks are one thing. battleground states are another. tuesday, romney stumps virginia, then ohio with chris christie in cuyahoga falls. in three straight rallies in florida, he recounted his memories of a 14-year-old boy, david, that he befriended with leukemia. >> i sat down next to him and he said what happens next? and i spoke with him about what i believe happens next. clear eyes, full
we're seeing a more confidence mitt romney on the trail. >> we had a little debate earlier this week and i enjoyed myself. you had the chance to hear his answers or non answers. now, of course, days later, we're hearing his excuses. >> but while the romney campaign body language has changed, both are anxiously awaiting the first good post debate polls. those will give us our first look at the race after the debate and the friday unemployment report. plus, where will romney be when...
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you knew mitt romney had to have a good debate. what were you guys thinking as you saw this thing unwind and saw that the president not only didn't bring his "a" game, he just didn't show up, and mitt was on top of his game. what were you thinking? >> as we were watching it, we were thinking we were at the right place at the right time. you think of all the debate preparation. there's a lot of work and staff's very involved. at the end of the day, it's his ball. mitt romney gets on that stage. he's throwing the ball. and the only thing he can control is him, what he does, what he says, what comes out of his mouth. >> doesn't matter how much you prep him, it's up to him. >> and it doesn't matter what the moderator does. it doesn't matter what the president does. the one thing that's in his control is the case he makes. and it's the first time that there was -- you know, you think about the way people portrayed mitt romney over the past few months as though he's some sort of monster. and suddenly we got to see the guy that we know. t
you knew mitt romney had to have a good debate. what were you guys thinking as you saw this thing unwind and saw that the president not only didn't bring his "a" game, he just didn't show up, and mitt was on top of his game. what were you thinking? >> as we were watching it, we were thinking we were at the right place at the right time. you think of all the debate preparation. there's a lot of work and staff's very involved. at the end of the day, it's his ball. mitt romney gets...
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the romney campaign, after the first debate, looking at some of the enthusiasm. later, my conversation as i mentioned with arnold schwarzenegger. much more to come with our special panel right after this. >>> "meet the press" is brought to you by the boeing company. >>> coming up next, more with our roundtable. chuck todd will go inside the numbers looking at enthusiasm in the electorate. >>> excuse me, governor. mr. president. >> i'm sorry. yeah, yeah, what's up? >> mr. president, governor romney has just said that he killed osama bin laden. [ laughter ] would you care to respond? >> no. you two go ahead. [ laughter ] >> robert gibbs, i want to get you on the record on this. what specifically does the president have to do better in the next debate? >> well, look, i think you're going to see a very engaged president that is ready and willing to call out whichever mitt romney shows up. >> that's not the president who showed up in the first debate. >> again, i'm not going to take away from mitt's masterful, theatrical performance. he did a superb acting job. he did
the romney campaign, after the first debate, looking at some of the enthusiasm. later, my conversation as i mentioned with arnold schwarzenegger. much more to come with our special panel right after this. >>> "meet the press" is brought to you by the boeing company. >>> coming up next, more with our roundtable. chuck todd will go inside the numbers looking at enthusiasm in the electorate. >>> excuse me, governor. mr. president. >> i'm sorry. yeah,...
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the romney campaign, after the first debate, looking at some of the enthusiasm. later, my conversation as i mentioned with arnold schwarzenegger. much more to come with our special panel right after this. >>> "meet the press" is brought special panel right after this. >>> "meet the prwe're sittinght on a bunch of shale gas. there's natural gas under my town. it's a game changer. ♪ it means cleaner, cheaper american-made energy. but we've got to be careful how...
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here's what obama said, here's what romney said at the debate. let's take a listen and talk about it on the other side. >> i'm not looking for a $5 trillion tax cut. what i've said is i won't put in place a tax cut that adds to the deficit. >> governor romney's central economic plan calls for a $5 trillion tax cut. for 18 months, he's been running on this tax plan. now, five weeks before the election, he's saying his big, bold idea is never mind. >> all right. what what's the deal here? >> this is a complicated one. we have from the romney campaign a plan that has been analyzed by an independent group that said it would lead to around $450 billion a year in revenue that's cut from the -- revenue that's not there as a result of these taxes. the obama campaign has then taken this and extrapolated it over ten years, and they have arrived at $5 trillion. well, ten years times $450 billion doesn't get us to $5 trillion. so that's not quite right. but what is true is that the romney campaign, governor romney himself, has not explained what they're goin
here's what obama said, here's what romney said at the debate. let's take a listen and talk about it on the other side. >> i'm not looking for a $5 trillion tax cut. what i've said is i won't put in place a tax cut that adds to the deficit. >> governor romney's central economic plan calls for a $5 trillion tax cut. for 18 months, he's been running on this tax plan. now, five weeks before the election, he's saying his big, bold idea is never mind. >> all right. what what's the...
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the romney campaign after the first debate. looking at some of the enthusiasm. later my conversation as i mentioned with arnold schwarzenegger. more to come with our special panel. nel right after this. >>> "meet the press" [ male announcer ] this is anna, her long day teaching the perfect swing begins with back pain and a choice. take advil, and maybe have to take up to four in a day. or take aleve, which can relieve pain all day with just two pills. good eye. and you learned something along the way. this is the age of knowing what you're made of. so, why let erectile dysfunction get in your way? talk to your doctor about viagra. 20 million men already have. ask if your heart is healthy enough for sex. do not take viagra if you take nitrates for chest pain; it may cause an unsafe drop in blood pressure. side effects include headache, flushing, upset stomach, and abnormal vision. to avoid long-term injury, seek immediate medical help for an erection lasting more than four hours. stop taking viagra and call your doctor right away if you experience a sudden decrea
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right now, we're already seeing that mitt romney is using personal stories in the debate of people he met on the campaign trail. and using them on the stump in states like florida, as he is doing this weekend. we are seeing a more energetic and happier mitt romney. and that is a good image for him. and of course, we're seeing ads come out about the debates on both sides and could stop a second look. but it should help, for now. >> so david, the second presidential debate, could it potentially erase all the talk like this. because the president is not going to be caught flat-footed the second time around, i'm guessing? >> i highly doubt it. he is very competitive. and when he is on his game he is very good. so i think what it does is raise expectations to a degree for romney. but also for the president, because all of us are expecting him to come back, come out with guns blazing, i think for romney the key is not that he needs to decisively win as he did in the first debate, but if he can hold his own and look as sharp as he did, then even with a good, strong president obama performanc
right now, we're already seeing that mitt romney is using personal stories in the debate of people he met on the campaign trail. and using them on the stump in states like florida, as he is doing this weekend. we are seeing a more energetic and happier mitt romney. and that is a good image for him. and of course, we're seeing ads come out about the debates on both sides and could stop a second look. but it should help, for now. >> so david, the second presidential debate, could it...
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what we saw in the debate between president obama and governor romney was an exchange of ideas. both share a practical approach to stimulating economic growth but have different ways of getting us there. the two guys that we're going to be watching on thursday, pragmatism doesn't begin to describe them. pugilistic, not pragmatic describes these guys. get ready for a clash of the i had i can't logs. they're champions of the sweet science of political and economic thought of their respective parties. the golden boy of the economic doctrine. ryan the self-described -- the architect of the conservative platform, upon which the gop now stands. the plan to slash the deficit by gutting social programs and his party is saying he built that. in the other corner, a granddaddy of the base. 29 years old, joe biden became one of the youngest people ever elected to the u.s. senate. he's been steep in the political gospel of the democratic party for 40 years. he's played key roles in u.s. foreign policy as a member and chairman of the foreign committee. middle east, southwest asia, the united
what we saw in the debate between president obama and governor romney was an exchange of ideas. both share a practical approach to stimulating economic growth but have different ways of getting us there. the two guys that we're going to be watching on thursday, pragmatism doesn't begin to describe them. pugilistic, not pragmatic describes these guys. get ready for a clash of the i had i can't logs. they're champions of the sweet science of political and economic thought of their respective...
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. >> in the debate, you saw mitt romney can no longer defend tax cuts for the rich. he wants to say i'm not for tax cuts for the rich, it's for small business. look at the definition. under the definition of small business -- >> hold that thought. let me play mitt romney making that case where he says you want to raise taxes, that's fine. you think you are going to stick it to rich people. really, you are going to stick it to the beloved small business owner. check it out. >> mr. president, you are right with regards to 97% of the businesses are not taxed at 35% tax rate, it's a lower rate. those businesses, the last 3% happen to employ half, half of all the people who work in small business. >> okay. please respond to that. there is so much nonsense in that little bit of sound. >> first of all, the statistic that it employs half is ridiculous. let's look at it carefully. under that definition of small business, i'm a business. why? because i have written a book. i get royalties. that's business income. mitt romney cuts my taxes. now, i'm not going to hire anyone. th
. >> in the debate, you saw mitt romney can no longer defend tax cuts for the rich. he wants to say i'm not for tax cuts for the rich, it's for small business. look at the definition. under the definition of small business -- >> hold that thought. let me play mitt romney making that case where he says you want to raise taxes, that's fine. you think you are going to stick it to rich people. really, you are going to stick it to the beloved small business owner. check it out. >>...
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that is a thousand more than mitt romney during the course of that debate. psych physiologists say that since 1980, the candidate who blinked the least during the debates went on to win the popular vote. there are exceptions, though. in 2004, president george w. bush not only blinked more in the debate against senator john kerry, he also won re-election, so there you go. >>> up next, getting in the way of democracy. the latest news that could affect who might get stopped on their way to the voting booth during election day. this is msnbc. [ man ] ring ring... progresso this reduced sodium soup says it may help lower cholesterol, how does it work? you just have to eat it as part of your heart healthy diet. step 1. eat the soup. all those veggies and beans, that's what may help lower your cholesterol and -- well that's easy [ male announcer ] progresso. you gotta taste this soup. that's what may help lower your cholesterol and -- well that's easy you're not just looking for a by house. eyes you're looking for a place for your life to happen. i'm done! [ chuckl
that is a thousand more than mitt romney during the course of that debate. psych physiologists say that since 1980, the candidate who blinked the least during the debates went on to win the popular vote. there are exceptions, though. in 2004, president george w. bush not only blinked more in the debate against senator john kerry, he also won re-election, so there you go. >>> up next, getting in the way of democracy. the latest news that could affect who might get stopped on their way...
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susan, first of all, how much does this employment number blunt mitt romney's debate momentum? and do you think the white house is going phew, relieved at this? >> if not popping champagne bottles. two-ways in which this number was so useful to the white house yesterday. it got the unemployment rate below 8% which has been kind of a line of demarkation. the romney folks have made a big deal about it being above 8% for so many months all through president obama's tenure. the other thing is the timing. i mean, all the reviews from the debate has been so negative for president obama. and this just automatically changed the subject. at 8:30 yesterday morning we stopped talk thing about the debates and started talking about improvement in the jobless numbers >> yes. david with respect to the conspiracy theorists out there, mitt romney is not latched onto all threat rick. but could all this talk, this talk, could it damage him in the long run? i mean, in some ways all it does is just highlight the fact we're talking below 8%. >> absolutely, alex. i think that the romney campaign didn
susan, first of all, how much does this employment number blunt mitt romney's debate momentum? and do you think the white house is going phew, relieved at this? >> if not popping champagne bottles. two-ways in which this number was so useful to the white house yesterday. it got the unemployment rate below 8% which has been kind of a line of demarkation. the romney folks have made a big deal about it being above 8% for so many months all through president obama's tenure. the other thing is...
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president obama did not win the first debate against mitt romney. whether or not you're happy about that, he didn't win. but if your takeaway from this conspiracy theory in this debate is the reason the president didn't win is because mitt romney cheated, then what is the utility of that theory for you? what is the utility of that information? how do you think president obama should then prepare for the second debate? should he just do exactly what he did this past wednesday night, except keep a closer eye out for the cheating because that is the only reason he lost? i mean, it may be comforting to tell yourself this is what really went wrong here but that is not really what went wrong here, and making the case that it was what went wrong does not help your candidate. the worst example of this though, the invention of a comforting new parallel reality that does not mean you have to face hard truths. the worst new instance of this is how the right today responded to the new jobs numbers. today the unemployment rate dropped from 8.1% to 7.8%. it didn'
president obama did not win the first debate against mitt romney. whether or not you're happy about that, he didn't win. but if your takeaway from this conspiracy theory in this debate is the reason the president didn't win is because mitt romney cheated, then what is the utility of that theory for you? what is the utility of that information? how do you think president obama should then prepare for the second debate? should he just do exactly what he did this past wednesday night, except keep...
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positive impressions of mitt romney from that debate. i don't foe if this competes with that. but certainly we saw in the past couple of months that people were beginning to feel a lot more confident about the economic situation personally and for the country. you saw it in the polls. we were wondering why was this data turning around. bill clinton gave a great speech at the convention and everyone loved what clinton said. it now turns out there was some underlying economic trends that was feeding that that we didn't really know about, but that makes sense now. and i think if that's the case heading into the critical month of october and obviously in november where we're going to have one more jobs report, i think that really does benefit the president. because that's been the underlying issue of this entire campaign. it's been the issue that mitt romney's campaigned on from the get-go. >> at the convention i think he framed obama the case for obama and particularly the case for obama on the economy more clearly than anyone else has on t
positive impressions of mitt romney from that debate. i don't foe if this competes with that. but certainly we saw in the past couple of months that people were beginning to feel a lot more confident about the economic situation personally and for the country. you saw it in the polls. we were wondering why was this data turning around. bill clinton gave a great speech at the convention and everyone loved what clinton said. it now turns out there was some underlying economic trends that was...
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i mean, quite frankly, i'm mystified by the mitt romney we saw at the debate and the mitt romney who is now saying that he was completely wrong about trashing 47% of the country. how is it possible that a man who has been running for president for six years is having these personality conversions all within the span of a few days or a few hours. >> that's a very good question, john. i wish i could answer that. michelle, what is romney actually saying he was wrong about? that he got the number wrong? that it's actually 46% of people that he believes are entitled to health care, food, housing, you name it? what exactly is he saying was wrong? >> well, we don't actually know because he was very smart. he picked a friendly interviewer who is not going to push him too hard on exactly what he was wrong about. was he wrong to say it, wrong to get caught saying it, was he wrong to think it? these are not things that shean hannity and the fox team are going to push him on, but what he is right about is that he can't let that sit out there, and he picked a time when he thought he had a relativ
i mean, quite frankly, i'm mystified by the mitt romney we saw at the debate and the mitt romney who is now saying that he was completely wrong about trashing 47% of the country. how is it possible that a man who has been running for president for six years is having these personality conversions all within the span of a few days or a few hours. >> that's a very good question, john. i wish i could answer that. michelle, what is romney actually saying he was wrong about? that he got the...
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he accused mitt romney of not being the real mitt romney on wednesday night during that debate saying he appeared to be more moderate, walked back some of his initial positions. mr. obama said his health care plan would cover pre-existing condition, that's a claim that the campaign walked about. today mr. obama said romney had been fact-checked by his own campaign. took a slight at that. trying to rally support in ohio where early voting has already started. this is a key battleground state, tamron. >> thank you, kristen. more on the breaking news. the new jobs numbers. in a statement john boehner said while there's positive news in today's report, job creation is far too slow and the unemployment rate is far too high. senate majority leader harry reid said with unemployment dropping below 8% to the lowest level in four years, our economy is on the right track. joining me now is "newsweek" columnist zachary caribel. we have one more jobs report left and let's move aahead and not talk about the ground game regarding the numbers we've seen. let's talk about the numbers we haven't seen c
he accused mitt romney of not being the real mitt romney on wednesday night during that debate saying he appeared to be more moderate, walked back some of his initial positions. mr. obama said his health care plan would cover pre-existing condition, that's a claim that the campaign walked about. today mr. obama said romney had been fact-checked by his own campaign. took a slight at that. trying to rally support in ohio where early voting has already started. this is a key battleground state,...
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maybe that takes the romney debate bump away or not. but he is spending several days in florida not by accident. he has to win here. >> especially since they're not doing as well as they hoped to do in ohio. there's the other debate, and i'm not talking about the vice presidential match-up next week. i am talking about jon stewart versus bill o'reilly saturday night for charity here in d.c. >> people said they're looking forward to the vice presidential debate. if you're looking for a debate with the most fireworks between now and the election, bill o'reilly and jon stewart. i've been watching the jon stewart clips from "the daily show" with stephen colbert warming up in training jon stewart for this debate. you know, in truth my guess is it will be less jokey and more serious than many of us are expecting. jon stewart is often in these settings a serious policy-minded thinker. i think o'reilly will take that approach. like we talked about before the presidential debate, it may be less fireworks than we think but a serious policy discus
maybe that takes the romney debate bump away or not. but he is spending several days in florida not by accident. he has to win here. >> especially since they're not doing as well as they hoped to do in ohio. there's the other debate, and i'm not talking about the vice presidential match-up next week. i am talking about jon stewart versus bill o'reilly saturday night for charity here in d.c. >> people said they're looking forward to the vice presidential debate. if you're looking for...
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will these new numbers mean lights out for romney's post debate afterglow? new ads kat aare catered to cri inting states. joining me live is jan schakowsky. congresswoman, it's great to have you here. business pioneer jack welch basically calls these numbers into question. had this remark that he tweeted out earlier today saying, unbelievable jobs numbers. these chicago guys will do anything, can't debate, so change numbers. what do you say to that? even the white house though right now this morning reluctant to spike the football on this. in their statement saying it is critical we continue the policies that are building an economy that works for the middle cla class as we dig our way out of a deep hole. what is your response to those questioning the validity? >> that's really interesting because i happened to see one of those chicago guys last night. i was with david axelrod. i asked him what do you expect about the jobs numbers? he says, i really don't know. we're hoping it will be good. so, you know, it doesn't surprise me that romney supporters are now
will these new numbers mean lights out for romney's post debate afterglow? new ads kat aare catered to cri inting states. joining me live is jan schakowsky. congresswoman, it's great to have you here. business pioneer jack welch basically calls these numbers into question. had this remark that he tweeted out earlier today saying, unbelievable jobs numbers. these chicago guys will do anything, can't debate, so change numbers. what do you say to that? even the white house though right now this...
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give us your take on this economic debate. >> it's clearly the new fake romney on the debate and president obama couldn't adjust in time. he said what's this? and i think it's the old romney that counts. i think the 47% really reflected his plutocratic personality, and he still has tattend to his bas, which is the primary base. that's what's going to bring him down. >> that's the political reality. there is a reality that there are people out there who want to know what these guys are going to do going forward. they're not economists. what is the conversation that's not being had, ralph, that you think needs to be heard? >> this is a corporate dominated economy. i mean, corporations decide where the capital is going to go, where it's going to be invested, who is going to be hired. general electric decides to export more jobs than they build in this country. they do. they decide not to pay taxes and get benefit back from the treasury. they do. and these presidents, they're held responsible for the whole economy even though they're not the czar. this isn't a command and controlled socialist
give us your take on this economic debate. >> it's clearly the new fake romney on the debate and president obama couldn't adjust in time. he said what's this? and i think it's the old romney that counts. i think the 47% really reflected his plutocratic personality, and he still has tattend to his bas, which is the primary base. that's what's going to bring him down. >> that's the political reality. there is a reality that there are people out there who want to know what these guys...
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today, just a few hours before the debate started. romney did his debate prep in denver. when you go to 5,000 feet -- >> exactly. >> -- and you only have a few hours to adjust -- >> that's interesting. >> i don't know. >> oh, boy. that was former vice president al gore with what you would call one of the more creative explanations for president obama's denver debate performance. let's bring back our panel. j jim, karen, and matt. what did you get out of that? >> i love this is not a time for politics. there's 30 days left before the election. everything is a time for politics. i get why he said it, absolutely, but, look, this is, i think, president obama needed something at the end of the week after what i think was not disastrous but certainly not a good debate performance. >> you said he had the worst week in washington. >> he looked -- >> i would say -- >> that's a little -- >> i said he looked unhappy. >> we've been talking for the last couple days about all of the lies that romney told on the stage. come on, he might have had a good performance -- >> both candidates
today, just a few hours before the debate started. romney did his debate prep in denver. when you go to 5,000 feet -- >> exactly. >> -- and you only have a few hours to adjust -- >> that's interesting. >> i don't know. >> oh, boy. that was former vice president al gore with what you would call one of the more creative explanations for president obama's denver debate performance. let's bring back our panel. j jim, karen, and matt. what did you get out of that?...
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have a couple more good debates, those all go in the romney column. that was a freudian slip. but at the end of the day, though, the question is committee make up the big difference in ohio? can he make up the big difference in wisconsin? because if he doesn't win ohio, he's got to win wisconsin. the romney people still think he can. after that debate and after barack obama's performance, which was staggeringly bad. >> all right. >> no, i mean it. >> he's right. >> okay. >> i'm hearing this from democrats. and this broke through. we always hear about how americans aren't paying attention. they're looking at reality shows. this broke through, everybody was talking about it, not just how well romney did but how badly the president performed. >> well, just as i think it was premature to declare the race over before, i think it's too soon to say that that performance, as widely watched as it was, is going to move numbers. we have yet to see any numbers move. i think they probably will some. and i think that on the other hand, did governor romney win the d
have a couple more good debates, those all go in the romney column. that was a freudian slip. but at the end of the day, though, the question is committee make up the big difference in ohio? can he make up the big difference in wisconsin? because if he doesn't win ohio, he's got to win wisconsin. the romney people still think he can. after that debate and after barack obama's performance, which was staggeringly bad. >> all right. >> no, i mean it. >> he's right. >> okay....
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when mitt romney beat president obama in last night's televised debate. so the first televised presidential debate that we had was in 1960. here are all of the other years that we have since have televised presidential debates. every four years now we have these debates on tv. the only years, though, so these are all the years, right, right? the only years, though, in which you had an incumbent president running against a challenger in all of the years we've had presidential debates on tv are these years. so in terms of understanding the historical context of what happened last night when mitt romney beat president obama in this first debate, this is the universe of like things to compare it to. this is how to understand it in terms of american political history. it's only these years right here. that's it. now, by definition, you never have an incumbent president in this situation more than once. presidents can only serve two terms so there's only one opportunity when they carry into that debate, when they're running for re-election, they carry into that
when mitt romney beat president obama in last night's televised debate. so the first televised presidential debate that we had was in 1960. here are all of the other years that we have since have televised presidential debates. every four years now we have these debates on tv. the only years, though, so these are all the years, right, right? the only years, though, in which you had an incumbent president running against a challenger in all of the years we've had presidential debates on tv are...